A few days ago
lamd

combining 4/5 grades together ….good idea???

Hello everyone..

We were just informed on Friday that our sons school will be combining 4/5 grades. There are 2 forth grades and 2 fifth grades. Well due to low enrollment and class size they are having one teacher leave and his students will be combined with the other 4th grade teacher and then a 5th grade teacher will recieve his other half. There is already about 19 -20 students in my sons class. So the number of students now will be roughly 27-30 students. The other students will be in a 4/5 grade split. With only one teacher.

so you have

1 forth grade with 27-30 students with 1 teacher

and

1 4/5 grade spilt with at least 25 max 30 with 1 teacher

and

1 5th grade with 30 students with 1 teacher

I don’t understsand why they don’t higher a new teacher

Is this going to give my child a equal education and will it work?

Our school already has low istep scores i feel this is just going to lower the isteps more because there will be to many kids in the class.

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A few days ago
hsmomlovinit

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It can be a very good thing, but only when the teachers are trained to handle the combo classes and the staffing is adequate. Sorry, it doesn’t sound like either is happening at your son’s school.

With 60 students, there should be enough children to hire two teachers for each grade. Is this a public or private school? The current enrollment allows for about 15-20 kids per class, which is a good class size – both for the teacher and the students. More than 22-25 or so, and a lot of things can go downhill, for all involved. (The operative word here is “can”, not “will”.)

If it’s a public school, take it to the school board…though it sounds more like it’s a private school situation. If your son is in the split class, I would seriously look at getting him out of there – either get him in the non-split class, or pull him out and put him in public school, or homeschool him. I know it may not seem like the most supportive thing to do, but in the end, *his* education is what you’re responsible for. Try to get things changed, but if you can’t, do what’s best for him.

My mom teaches in a school with split classes, and I know the level of prep and training that goes into this. It works extremely well in her school, but they have the communication and staffing to handle it. Without those factors…ouch. Not good, and I honestly wouldn’t allow my son to stay in there. It sounds like they’re putting this together at the last minute, and I wouldn’t put my son through that. His education is more important than the school’s wish to lower costs.

My advice…get him out of that school, quick.

Just my 2 cents though πŸ™‚

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A few days ago
Anonymous
They are probably doing this so they dont have to hire another teacher and give out more money. Because the numbers are so high they might still hire someone at the last minute. Call the district and see what their policy is on the max number of students there can be in the class. Sometimes its 28 to 35…who knows.

I started teaching a week ago and they wanted to give me a combo class of 3rd and 4th. “Technically” it is supposed to include high 3rd graders and low 4th graders. That way the 4th graders will benefit from the 3rd grade material and you arent throwing off the 3rd graders. Now in your case it should be high 4th, low 5th. Yet, at my school they were just throwing in kids at various levels that it would have been hard. Make sure they are doing it the other way so your son doesn’t not benefit. There is also material that combines lessons for combination classes in which it will all be direct instruction for each group at once. Dont be afraid to ask to sit in and watch to make sure that the teacher is confident.

I am new and felt too overwhelmed in which they just gave me 3rd graders. I felt that the other group of 4th graders wouldn’t have benefited.

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A few days ago
DrIG
Combining 4th and fifth grades are being done for budgetary reasons and not for educational ones. In addition to being sorry for the children who will be placed in classes with higher registers or combined in 4/5 I feel sorry for the teachers..

Some schools who have not made the mandatory scores under th No Child Left Behind Act are required to have free tutoring or to allow student transfers depending on the number of years that they have not met standards. Check into this.

I would also bring this up at a Board of Education meeting and have a number of other parents there who believe as you do.

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A few days ago
chilena12
I was almost in this exact same situation (as the teacher). School districts need to cut costs, so they will put as many students in one class as they can. In our district, it is 30 5th graders and 27 4th graders. They will rarely keep a teacher if class sizes are as low as 20. The best thing you can do is make a stink and plant yourself in the Superintendent’s office (or whoever is the head of your district). Unfortunately, the central office tends to listen to parents from more well off areas more than from poor areas.

The good news is, millions of kids and teachers are in split or multi-grade classes. It will work out okay in the end. The teachers know how to make it work.

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A few days ago
Cassie P
I live in Utah and class sizes were huge due to massive procreation πŸ™‚ Sometime you’d have close to 40 students in an elementary class.

I think I turned out decently…at barely 17 I’m already pre-med in college with two majors applying to med school within two years.

Yeah, big classes are ok. πŸ™‚

Just make sure to be supportive and help your son form good study habits. If he learns to learn on his own it will be a lot easier for him to cope with less one-on-one time with his teacher.

I know that if I didn’t have my mommy dearest with me every step of the way encouraging and motivating me, I would have probably turned out a lot differently.

Also consider having him get a study buddy. It helps to get different opinions from someone in the same class while doing homework or projects.

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A few days ago
Lu
this is a bad situation. the school is wrong to do this. 4th and 5th graders don’t belong together in the same class —

the 5th graders will be going slower and the 4th graders will have to speed up. both groups of kids will miss out.

if there are too many students in a class, it is really hard to get the teachers attention, and that too makes students miss out on what they are supposed to learn.

try to spend extra time with your sons on their homework and with reading comprehension, or find a tutor to help them with their studies if possible.

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A few days ago
TallDudeAged17
My brother goes to a school where they have 4/5th grade combined in one room with one teacher. It works just fine.

If you are going to worry about it, send your son to another school. Otherwise, deal with it.

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A few days ago
Pistachio
No it’ll be fine. Seriously composite classes (that’s what they’re called) work just as well as 1 grade class. Trust me our school had them and my brother was even in one and he is top of his class now so he was not hindered in his education. Plus as you said you are moving him to another school as soon as possible so if it really bothers you then just think of it as temporary.
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A few days ago
Anonymous
in the school i go to it was a good idea because of the more one on one teaching!!! but in your case i dont think it is because there are more students and therefore the teacher will struggle to get more one on one teaching!!!
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A few days ago
east2west
no it will led to bullying and some will fall further behind on there work
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